People keep asking me “Why has Rahul Dravid
not been on Breakfast with Champions?” That was because for
the longest time you thought that to come on this show,
you actually have to cook. And that’s… No, that’s not the reason.
You never asked me. – When did you ask me?
– God! Oh! It has taken you 53 episodes to ask me? When did you ask me? You never asked me. This is such… This is such a… See, I’m trying to create that image. …such a gangster thing to do I’m trying to create an image
that I’m not a good guy. – Well done.
– Well lied. It’s very well done. So, you and Sunny (Sunil Gavaskar),
both have one thing in common. – Yeah.
– Definitely, outside you go like… you know, properly, good… And I had
the privilege of knowing you and knowing him. You have got these really
mischievous tricks up your sleeve. You know, tongue-in-cheek kind of humor. Yeah, so it maybe… Learnt well
from Sunny Bhai, I think. So how this “good boy”? How this…
This “Good boy” thing came very early. Hard work, discipline, put your head down… You don’t want to get out
to the rocker side of you… No, I don’t want to be something
I’m not, either. So I don’t want to do that
because I would be uncomfortable doing that kind of stuff. Trying to be
the life of a party. I’ve never been that. So I guess if you get labeled as
a “good boy” or get labeled as someone who does everything correctly,
when you make one mistake then that gets highlighted even more. You know like “Oh God! This is the guy!”,
“Oh he did it”, “He threw his cap!” Yeah. James Faulkner never
lets me forget it though. I sent you a message
the day after that saying “Be honest, you apologized
to the cap later, didn’t you?” Remember I sent you this message? God, I felt so terrible.
As the cap was going out of my hand I could feel “Oh, what am I doing?” – And not only that…
– “Bring it back.” …it’s because…
You know, as a coach, I sort of… tell the boys “Don’t show
your emotions so much”. I mean, people
will make mistakes on the field… And here was I, you know,
when it came down to the end and in that frustration, it just
sort of came out and I threw the cap. And then as I was letting it go, it was
just too late. I wish I could pull it back. It’s fine. You’re human. It’s okay. Exactly what I’m saying.
That’s the image I want. That I’m human. I’m going to make mistakes.
So don’t blame me when I make mistakes. Do you see what you have
in common with Sunny? Both of you also have one test wicket each. – Yes, we do…
– Yes. Yes and I’m very proud of that. Let’s not speak about when it was done
and how it was done… I can tell you. It’s West Indies, Antigua.
Antigua, wasn’t it? – Yeah.
– It was Antigua. You got a wicket. – A wicket’s a wicket.
– Yeah. That’s it. – Was it Chanderpaul or the other guy?
– No, if it was Chanderpaul I’d have been shouting on rooftops. But, no, it was Ridley Jacobs and he had scored a 100. Yeah, Ridley was a good cricketer as well
and he was batting on 120 at that time. But my ODI wickets are better. – We’ve flipped it immediately.
– Yeah. Four ODI wickets. Let me mention them to you before we,
you know, and then I quit when I was ahead. Saeed Anwar. The guy who, at that time,
had the highest ODI score. – 194.
– I had got him. I got Lance Klusener,
the player of 1999 World Cup. Smashing. Gary Kirsten, who later went on to coach us and I never forgot to remind him
that I had knocked him over. And I got Mark Boucher who has also played
over 100 games, a lot of cricket. So… Clichéd off spinner getting
majority of left handers. Slightly clichéd. Yeah… Didn’t spin it much though.
Unfortunately. I used to find it funny, I used to always ask
Harbhajan, “How do you spin the off-spin?” He would try to show me.
“Do it like this. Doorknob.” He used to say “Turn it like a doorknob” and I would keep trying to do that
and the ball kept going straight. I could never figure out spin. You just put it there
and you get the wickets. – Yeah.
– That’s what good bowlers do, right? You make them play for the spin
but there isn’t any. Any. Yeah, exactly. Absolutely. But, yeah, I was a bit disappointed when I was reading this interview
and I think it was Harbhajan Singh’s. Next time I meet him,
I’ve to take it up with him. This is an issue I have with him actually. Somebody asked him “Who is the worst
dressed person in the Indian team” and he named me.
Which, honestly, I don’t mind. But, the thing is, the fact that
I’ve not even beaten Javagal Srinath means like, I must be doing something really
wrong or Bhajji (Harbhajan Singh) is wrong. So that disappointed me. Not that I was bad,
which, I kind of know, I am at times. But I was even worse than Javagal Srinath
and his sandals, made me feel even worse. Sandals? Is it a sandal of socks? Not really. Most of the times,
Sri is… talkative. – Yeah?
– Yeah, he is. He is a terrific guy. So Srinath was the one
who started calling me “Juice Jam”. Then that shortened and became
“Jam” over the time. “Juice Jam” was a bit long.
So it became “Jam”. And then when you batted also,
it used to be “Jam creates a traffic jam because guys are lined up behind him
to get to bat but he won’t get out”. Yeah, that’s nice. – Yeah, that’s…
– Loved batting. – That’s something I love doing.
– That’s where “The Wall” came to be, right? – Yeah.
– That’s where the wall came to be. I don’t know where “The Wall”
came to be from. But like I always say “The Wall” probably came from some
clever editor or reporter in a newspaper saying “Let’s call him ‘The Wall’ because
it’ll also give us a future headline”. I mean, when I don’t do well, it will be
“The cracks in the wall” “Another brick in the wall crumbles” or… And there were those headlines, you know,
when I was going through a tough patch or when I wasn’t scoring runs. I’m not comfortable or uncomfortable
being called “The Wall”, but yeah I would rather be called Rahul. I’ll be honest.
I don’t like people shouting “Wall!” Rahul is fine. Do you remember the most heated game
that has ever happened? Would it be Calcutta? Australia? The one against Australia on that last day
when we felt we had a chance to win and basically we needed Harbhajan
to win a match single-handedly. – But…
– One second, you are talking about? – Calcutta. Against…
– You and VVS Laxman? Yeah, but I mean, I always tell people
you need to take 20 wickets. Or you don’t win that match.
Otherwise it’s a draw. You know, it’s a draw. And it doesn’t have the same effect
as a win. “Oh, yeah, you batted the whole day and helped the team win”.
So, you know, you need bowlers to win you games. Bhajji (Harbhajan Singh)
was incredible in that series and amazing. Sachin (Tendulkar) took three wickets as well
in that particular game. So… You were batting despite having a fever
that day. Did you have a fever? Actually I didn’t practice in the lead up to
that particular game. Because we reached Calcutta like we usually do,
like three days before a game. I reached Calcutta
and then picked up this fever. So, I actually didn’t even go to
the ground till the start of the game. Trying to do the right thing and go
to practice a day before the game wasn’t necessarily in my best interest. It was probably better
that I rested it up. I really wanted to play.
We were one down in the series. I didn’t want to miss the opportunity to play
in a test match in Calcutta. So… So, yeah, I had played
but I had not practiced and I was, sort of, carrying
that viral fever for a large part of that test match
and, yeah, he had a dodgy back… You know, he sort of… Yeah, so we are two sick patients
who managed to bat the whole day. You know Adam Gilchrist said on a show that Michael Slater had cigars out
in the dressing room saying “Guys, this evening,
we are going to knock them over and smoke these cigars”
and then you guys batted through the day. – Yeah.
– It destroyed them, won the test match – and then they couldn’t have their…
– Yeah. They obviously are going to come at you. No and I think that’s a good thing
about this sport. It is when this was the best team
of that era, at that time, without a doubt and we actually competed against them
in those seven or eight years. I mean they probably beat us more
than we beat them. Let’s be fair about it. But I think, of all the other countries they would probably say
and a lot of their players would probably say that they faced the toughest battles
against India. Which is a nice thing… Is that your greatest day? Yeah, I would say one of them. Definitely. Definitely one of the greatest
playing days. I mean your first day when you walk out
to play for India, I think that’s… sometimes you
just can’t beat that. – Just the fact that…
– That too, at the Lord’s. At the Lord’s. You know, you walk out
and you have dreamt about this for such a long time.
You’ve worked towards it. For someone like me, it wasn’t… I wasn’t instant success in
Under-19 cricket or anything. It took me almost five years
of first class cricket to break into International cricket
and then play for India. It felt like “Wow! I have really
worked hard for this” you know, and it felt
like a long time coming and when it came,
I think it’s a really special day. You just wear that India cap
and walk down the steps at Lord’s. I dreamt of wanting to be a test player.
Wanted to play test cricket for India. And to finally achieve that,
I think that’s really a special day. It just feels like… You remember that,
you remember those moments. You wanted to play a test match for India,
I am sure, as all kids do. – Yeah, correct.
– Then you play 164 of them. You would never…
I mean if people had told me that when I was starting,
I would be like “You’re gone nuts”. “Uncle, are you drunk?” No. I was… I just wanted to play one. After I played a couple of games,
I thought “Wow, this is nice”. I would like to do this a little more. But whether I’d play 164 matches?
No. Back then I had no such numbers. I just wanted to be the best I could be and try and get the best out of my talent and respect the fact
that I had been given a gift a talent and some opportunities and I had to try and make
the most of them. So… You also got 10,000 runs in ODIs. – Yeah.
– Right? You played over 300 ODI games. So all these things,
all these runs and catches… Was it one of your greatest
achievements in 2005 when you were called
“The sexiest sportsman of India”? Really? Was I? – Yes.
– Wow! There must not have been
too much competition. You beat Yuvraj Singh at the time. – Really?
– Yes. Oh my God! That must rank as probably
one of the greatest achievements ever. Oh God! Is there any certificate
to prove that? A certificate! You are… Maybe I can put that up along with the other awards I’ve got
from the government. Maybe we can put one
of that up as well “Beaten Yuvraj Singh to it”. – We will get the paperwork done.
– Yeah… please… Did you have any… You also had a superstition, I am sure. Not really. I wasn’t a very superstitious
person actually. I used to be a little bit superstitious
and then I shared a dressing room with Syed Kirmani, in my early years. Then, he was sitting next
to me in the dressing room and saw me do some stupid
superstition and he said “What if you can’t do those things?” So, I kind of didn’t know what to say.
Then he said “Do you really believe in yourself
or do you believe in that?” It actually got me thinking a little bit. He’s played 88 games.
So he must be knowing something. He knows. He was so funny. Mr. Kiri’s (Syed Kirmani) autograph was
the first I got from any cricketer. I’ll never forget it. My first cricketer
autograph. Do you remember yours? My first cricketer autograph… I’ve the first book that I… I mean
like it’s… I was collecting autographs when I was seven or eight years old. Somewhere around early 1980s.
So there are books which have old guys I mean, autographs of players from that era.
In 1983, there was a test match. Somehow my father…
Normally we stand in the stands. But I don’t know for that season, somehow he managed to get pavilion seats
for a couple of games. Which is a big thing. And then we got access to the cricketers. Those days, there was no security.
None of that. – Yeah.
– We just walked in and got access to them. Yeah. If you were sitting in the pavilion,
you could just sort of… – The players were there, right?
– They were there. Exactly. – They would just lean across…
– Yeah, they would lean across and sign. So that was easy access. I got a lot
of autographs during that match, I remember. So, tough question though.
Who was your hero growing up, at that time? My heroes while growing up
were Sunil Gavaskar Kapil Dev and GR Viswanath.
They were big heroes of our time. Gavaskar because my father
was a huge Gavaskar fan as well. And then GR Viswanath
because he was a local hero and you grow up with stories
about Vishy (GR Viswanath). You know how Vishy was great as a kid
and what he did as a kid. And then, you know, obviously Kapil Dev. Like I said, the image of Kapil Dev
lifting the trophy is an iconic image for a lot of us. Just as Dhoni hitting that six
on that last ball which inspired another incredible
generation of kids. So, I always tell people,
one of the great thrills for me, of being a cricketer, is that
I was able to actually meet these guys. When you are growing up,
you have their photos on your walls. And Gavaskar knows me.
He didn’t know me when I was a kid, when I had his poster on my wall. But now he
does. When he sees me, he will say “hello”. And then, of course, playing happened
first in the backyard or in the school? Playing would be in the backyard. Started off in the backyards.
Started on the streets, garage… But you guys in Bangalore
also play that street cricket with… – What do you call? Short cricket?
– Short cricket. – You guys play short…
– French, short and all sorts of cricket. So French cricket is something people
all over the country know. Everyone knows about French cricket. People don’t know about Short cricket.
Short cricket is… Short cricket is when you don’t have space. When you don’t have grounds. So, it’s across the road.
Your garage is the door and across the road, the guy runs
in and bowls. That’s short cricket. There was some West Indian
player who said that “For Indians,
fielding is just waiting for batting.” True. If you field on some of the grounds
that we grew up playing on, don’t blame us. There was one turf ground in the whole
of Bangalore which was a stadium. – Yeah.
– Everything else was played on a mat. I played a few Ranji games on a mat
when I first started. – Wow!
– So, the first thing my mom told me when I went was “You’re not falling
down because your pant would get torn and she can’t buy another one and the second thing
is that you would be in hospital”. So, you know. I had a lot of pants as a kid. Which were with the knees where, you know, how your mom would
stitch the holes and sort of darn it… – Rafoo.
– Yeah, Rafoo is correct. – In Delhi it’s called Rafoo.
– Yeah, true. And it really left this…
really bad… aftertaste. – Like you could tell…
– You could tell it was on your knee. – Oh, no.
– Yeah. So, here’s a thing we wanted to ask
for the last couple of years and I haven’t got a chance
because you are always on the road. – Right? You’re always travelling
– Yeah. After you retired you could have had the choicest plush gig. But you chose this.
It’s fairly below the radar. – It’s not that much of a magnifying lens…
– Yeah, it is. And it’s true. And that’s actually a good space
to sometimes work in because you can actually do and try things and you can build things
without having to, you know constantly be in that run
of trying to produce result. But I think the overall development
at Under-19 and A level at least the way I see it,
is that it’s about… – a long term.
– It’s more long term. It’s about development of players
as cricketers and as people as well. But I’ve always judged this program
based on how many of these boys and how quickly are they able to assimilate
into the Ranji Trophy system. Which will then give them the platform
to be able to play for India. It’s not how many from your Under-19
batch played for India and how soon. When I cheer for a guy who has played
in a program who is not a part of a… He is not recognized by everyone else but, in his state team,
he is the captain. You know, I think that makes us think
“Wow, this kid has done something”. It’s not an easy space to grow up and discover yourself
as a cricketer and a person. It’s definitely not an easy environment
in here. The focus on them. Everything being analyzed
and everything being watched. But a lot of times I tell these guys
not to worry a lot about this stuff. Because, in the end, you have a short
career span. You don’t want… You know, sometimes
the competition is so much. You don’t want anything to affect
your mental space and gives you the best chance to succeed. And, I think if you are in this space,
you can’t only get praised, right? Obviously they’ll get praised
and I’m sure that makes them feel great and makes them feel good. But there’s also another side of the coin. Now that you’re taking care of so many kids. Do your kids say “Dad, we are your kids.
Come and spend time with us too”? You spend so much time with other kids,
because you are on the road all the time. I must admit,
it’s the hardest part of being a coach. I love coaching,
I love being involved with these kids and I love seeing just the whole process of
young kids coming through and… Just being a part of those journeys
is a little bit and you get that emotional
involvement with a lot of them and with the teams that you coach,
which is the nice part of it. But I guess the tough part of it is that
you are away from home for so much time. Yeah, it’s just tough. It’s harder that
the kids are getting older. I do love and really enjoy spending time
with them as well and spending time at home. Which is also challenging because it’s like
I’m fully there all the time which I’m not sure they like it as well because I suddenly want to get involved
in everything now. But, yeah, I’ve definitely
sort of tried to cut out the other stuff. By the way, I’ve noticed that with
you, while spending time with you… You are very curious about
what’s happening in the world and in other sports
and you are super interested. You went and met (Lionel) Messi – and (Rafael) Nadal…
– I saw him play. I didn’t meet him. – But…
– You met Nadal, right? Yeah, I saw Nadal practice.
I saw and met him and met Toni Nadal… – But, it…
– Very jealous. Yeah, It was lovely. Incredible watching him
practice. Just the intensity he brought. It was a great thing.
I mean it just tells you why he is who he is. But it’s a great lesson to talk about this to a lot of our kids as well.
It’s a great lesson for me to tell them that I watched Nadal practice
and you got to see the intensity that he brings into that practice
of an hour and a half. I’m curious. I’m keen to know other things
and I’m keen to… talk about other things.
I hate talking about cricket. I’ll be honest. Lot of times, the best evenings
of conversations are when I can ask other people
things about what they do. – You do that.
– And you get to learn something. Otherwise, I’m just having to talk about
cricket all the time. And it can get boring. So, movies?
Are movies a big interest for you? – Not so much.
– Never been? Never been. Not so much. Not even as a kid.
I mean I watch them. I watch the odd movies. I would like to watch Sholay even now.
Because it was a good memory as a kid. You watched it as a kid.
It was lovely and a great movie to watch. Actually it’s funny… Sholay
or some Hindi movies… I like to watch Anand. I loved Anand. – Can you do “Pushpa, I hate tears”?
– No, I can’t… Acting is not my strength. That’s yours. That’s why who you are and…
so that’s the other thing. I’m good at figuring out what
I’m not good at and I try not to do that. – And you stay away from it.
– Stay away. Come on, you got to give it a shot. – Just say “Babu”.
– “Babu” [dialogue from Anand] – “Moshai”.
– “Moshai”. You did so well. – Yeah? Good.
– That’s really good. Yeah, I should figure out.
Maybe there’s a career in this. Maybe there’s a career at the end…
as a sort of… – Maybe we shouldn’t go that far.
– That far, yeah. Yeah, let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Just like me playing one forward defence
and saying “I could play 200 test matches”. Yeah. “I can play Dale Steyn”. No. Yeah, it’s just, you know, maybe baby steps. Yeah, true. You have played for Scotland. Yeah, I was… A season in Scotland. Did you wear a kilt? Ever? – Playing for Scotland.
– Yes, I did. I did in one of the functions and I think
they had a photograph of me with a kilt. Technical question. Is the rumor true about the kilt that when the warriors
are wearing a kilt, they… How do I put it? I don’t know, man.
I don’t know where you are going with this. But let’s not…
I mean, I didn’t ask this question. – There’s meant to be freedom under the kilt.
– I didn’t ask. “Traditionally” there’s meant to be freedom
under the kilt. It’s a lungi, man. It’s a shortened lungi.
What is the difference? I mean, we do that here in India as well. So we, you know… – But if you are truly Scottish…
– But, yeah, really good memory. – Yeah.
– …and you’re truly a Highland Warrior… – Yeah.
– …when you wear the kilt… – Yeah.
– You are not supposed to wear anything else. – Really? Wow!
– Yes. Must be tough people there. – Pretty cold as well up there…
– Pretty cold. You need the extra insulation. – That’s not happening.
– Yeah. And of course, Kent. Kent, yeah. 2000 as well.
Season of County cricket. Big long season. Yeah, six months in Kent.
I really enjoyed that. And alone by yourself, cooking, fending
for yourself and doing all those things. That’s true. It was tough. Growing up in Bangalore and getting
everything done for you at home and being one of those… You know, I used to stay at home and get… You know how spoilt young Indian boys
get everything done. But it was a really good experience.
Having to learn to fend for yourself for six months and figuring out
that which ready-to-cook meal was the best. – You know, in those days…
– Microwave. Microwave… We had to puncture
holes in the plastic. We put it in the microwave for two minutes
and it had a horrible taste. Sometimes I can still feel that
terrible taste of that even now. For me, as a fan, watching you and Viru
bat together was always so delightful because it was the right amount of safety and excitement. It was the right amount. – I felt safe.
– Yeah. When Viru was batting. And excitement was… Felt excitement when
you were batting as well. And the thing with batting with him was you know how uncomplicated it was.
I mean, I was a little more analytical and had a bit more thought process
about things. So… When I came to bat with him sometimes,
I would start thinking “What’s happening?”, “What’s the wicket?”,
“What do you think we should do?” He would be like “Just watch the ball
and hit it, man”. Yeah. That’s such good advice, right?
You know, why complicate this. Watch the ball and hit it.
It’s simple. Keep it simple. The way he approached test cricket brought an incredible freshness
to the way test cricket was played. There’s one innings at CCI when he played he got a 296 against Sri Lanka. – Yeah.
– You know, he was incredible and he was telling me
where he is going to hit the next ball. He was telling me like (Muttiah) Muralitharan was spinning the ball
and he had kept a strong leg side field and trying to spin it… trying to get Viru
to hit it against the spin. Viru would come to me and
say, “He will bowl to me at middle and leg stump
and I’ll drive it through the covers”. And I’m thinking “Sure, that’s the best
thing to do at the moment, but…” I would say “Yeah, okay.
Go for it, buddy”. And then sure enough,
the next ball he goes inside out and he will hit him over covers for four and I’m thinking “Wow, how’s he doing that?” You made sixes as well. People think that… I have a 22-ball-50 as my… My children were saying, “Dad,
you have actually scored a 50 in 22-balls. How did you do it?” And that T20 game that you played. Did you hit Samit Patel
for a couple of sixes? Yeah, three sixes in a row. Three sixes in a row… In fact, I’m so grateful to him
that I named by son Samit. No, my son was named Samit before that. So, that’s not a true story. That was your first
and last T20 International. Was that your first and last? Quit when you are ahead. My T20 strike rate
is 145. Can’t complain about it. – That’s right.
– Yeah. – It’s one of the highest.
– Don’t say that I played only one game. “What’s your T20 strike rate?” 145. – 145.
– Great. Virat (Kohli), Rohit (Sharma),
Shikhar (Dhawan), come on. Challenge. – Challenge that.
– Yeah. Let’s go beyond that. Let’s talk about Sachin (Tendulkar). India’s batsmen at three and four.
It’ll be fine. We are safe. It will be taken care of.
Dada (Sourav Ganguly) coming in at five. (VVS) Laxman coming in at six. But, you and Sachin obviously batted so much together. You know, I’ve just like, I’ve
been asked about Sachin so much… all my life and I always tell people, now
I’ve run out of stuff to say that’s unique. He was… Again I’ve
probably said this before. He was someone you looked up to. I mean, he was the one…
He was our age, he was my age. To think about it, at 16, in that era,
at that time. Just to play at 16, at that level, I mean,
some of us were playing as school bowlers and struggling to play for our school team.
I was practicing with my school team when Sachin was facing
Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis. I was playing in ‘Aryabhata’ finals you know, and he was playing… – That in itself is phenomenal…
– How was Dada when he was young? During his Under-19 days? Very talented. I don’t think he took
the fitness side of things very… Yeah, he was “Maharaj”.
He was called “Maharaj”. All his Bengali teammates
used to call him “Maharaj”. – “Maharaj” is what they used to say.
– All of you are like looking at… Yeah, looking at…
He always had the best kits and the best bat and most… But running should’ve been faster.
I think both of us were not great sprinters. I was faster than him though. I like to get one
over him a little bit. Sometimes… Dada wasn’t…
Timing wasn’t exactly Dada’s forte at times. – So…
– In comedy or in batting? – No, timing in terms of punctuality.
– Oh, okay. That’s what I was thinking. Timing was his forte in batting.
It was his great strength. – Yeah.
– It was incredible. So, you know, sometimes he’d keep you
waiting and you can get rattled – if sometimes people keep you waiting.
– Steve Waugh did. Yeah. I don’t think he purposely kept
Steve Waugh waiting. I think, he was just… – He was…
– Yeah, he said. He told me the story. He’s like, “I just realized
that I’d forgotten my blazer”. Yeah. People thought that was a great
strategy and all. I don’t think… We actually never discussed
“We should keep Steve Waugh waiting” or like “You do this and you
do this, that will irritate him”… No, I think Sourav was just being Sourav. Jacket was in the dressing room. And somebody had to go, run
and get it for the toss. The problem was Steve Waugh
didn’t know Sourav at that time. Is VVS (Laxman) one
of the nicest people in cricket? – Yeah, he would be. I definitely think.
– Yeah. And he is genuinely a nice guy. Just genuinely… Always, again… He is the good guy, man.
Actually, he is the good guy. You know, that’s what you guys got to do. Portray that image. Make him the good guy. You know, that’s the image. – Yeah, he is the good boy…
– We will push him more towards… Good boy… Doing the right thing. Since you like Sholay, we will move
you more towards Gabbar Singh a little bit. – Yeah… True…
– Isn’t it? Yeah, that’s a better image. Shikhar can move you a little towards Gabbar. Gabbar Singh. Yeah.
Make me that bad guy. “Make you the bad guy”. – This is the line of the episode.
– Episode… “Make me the bad guy” Just take out your guns
and put a Clint Eastwood hat on you. True… This goes right above the office. Right above my desk in the office,
right next to the Muhammad Ali poster. Which also reminds me that do subscribe to Oaktree sports. Like and share the Rahul Dravid episode. He’s come on the show after two years only because I didn’t ask him earlier. Apparently. Apparently the 75 times that I asked were not good enough. – He is lying, man.
– 76th is the charm.